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Ich finde  Littel ´s Beiträge teilweise amüsant, eben weil diese teils sinnfrei und von und von eben eher fadem Bezug sind.  High Roller  hat es erkannt: kommt auf die Uhrzeit an.  Loser  hat es doch schon vor Jahren geschrieben: "Don´t feed the Troll". Also einfach ignorieren. Ansonsten finde ich das jeder hier seine Meinung schreiben darf, egal welchen Geistes Kind, in welcher Gemütslage oder in welchem"Ausnamezustand" er sich befindet. Wir sind hier schließlich nicht an einer Elite-Uni. Beleidigen oder diffamieren geht natürlich gar nicht. Aber da, so glaube ich, passt unser aller  Andreas Gruber  schon auf.

Ist die Uhrzeit nicht egal?

Zu gängigen Zeiten sind weniger Komplettaussetzer.

Littel ist wie Don Quixote, seine Windmühle ist David. Er kämpft gegen einen imaginären, übermächtigen Fantasie-Feind, dabei geht es eigentlich gegen die düsteren Geister seines desorientierten Daseins. David ist sein Wunsch-Ich, dass er nie sein wird. Das erzeugt Frust und Schmerz. Nerven tut er trotzdem. 

Charakteranalysen sollten Fachpersonal überlassen werden.

Labido schreibt:

Charakteranalysen sollten Fachpersonal überlassen werden.

Dazu müsste man aber erstmal Charakter haben...

I think the error was technical in the sense of study than the way the bet was laid down. The two horses you selected to shuffle, out of seven good ones to be top 5 were actually perfect and accurate, so you should have won. That's 70% of the work done. And you did it splendidly. I did not think the oldie would ride well at all (2nd place) especially considering the previous fast rider/jockey moved on to the favorite (dq first few meters). But that's what an expert knows and the trainer/rider of Josh Power did splendidly and was only just beaten on the line.

Now, where was the error? And I made it too, since I actually studied the race. The error was not realizing Hokkaido which came 2nd at 60-1 or something two years ago was a REAL contender. The last few races were garbage, always beaten by most of the few great horses in the pertaining high class races. So data tells you it had no chance now that we had over 10 such good horses competing! It showed no winning potential after all, and I watched the races. But here comes the KEY details left out that we that study races and identify patterns are often good at noticing and maybe you disregarded this time. I know I did.

1. Despite being beaten last 4-5 races this season, the horse was not left in the back by top high class horses. It was always in a decent position, it just did not compete for the win. So despite being objectively garbage, it still held "class".

2. Rider/jockey change. Why do that if the intent is to "lose" and just join the free champagne circle with a seat in the too class owner/trainer circle.

3. The horse despite being 2nd two years ago had nothing to show last year. No show in the Amerique last year, remember same winner 2024 and 2025 and Boy whatever horse (18) being top 5 twice.

The standby move is considering Boy whatever (18 and favorite) to be the defending horse. And most did, he was favorite. But who else had previously shown that top class and potential to win? Hokkaido. But anyway, let's forget that. He could still be a non-contender by points 1. and 2.

So back to last year. Why no Hokkaido in last year's Amerique? And this is the most important detail!! If you got the previous two you could conclude Hokkaido had no chance at top 1 despite considering it maybe had a top 5 chance.

The answer is that Hokkaido did NOT run the Amerique last year!!

It had either nothing to show or did not qualify. So it SKIPPED dissapointing in the Amerique.

Now why does it appear this time? If it did not appear the year before, where it objectively anyway should be better and have a better chance than now, based on age and "recent performances".
Why does the horse appear now, two years later and after a "disastrous last year" and supposedly "awful prep races" where it was always beaten by the top horses?

The answer is that this time, this year's Amerique, Hokkaido was in contention for the win, or a good placement. For this race you do not prepare to finish 5th and expect the stars to align for a 5th place. As we all know, and can see from the finishes, few lengths separate the winner from the loser.

In hindsight the prep races were just that, prep races. So the standy thought and class consideration should fall on top class results, top 2 Amerique two years ago.

It was a horses that was no sure bet like the two horses you selected top 5 to be shuffled, but definitely a horse that should be shuffled around your top 5 bankers! It had the win potential. It had shown it previously, and points 1. and 2. stacked with point 3. in hindsight is a no brainer. Reminder I oversaw it too. Just mentioning it was something that could've and should have been caught.

Maybe the horse only had a 30% of being top 5, maybe 10%, compared to the others, but unlike most of the others, it held top 1 potential and class.

That's my analysis of the race, study of yours, and the form of the ticket.

1. study: perfect. Chose correct two top 5 horses!

2. ticket: perfect. Shuffled the selected two top 5 horses.

3. analysis: key mistake/oversight. That maybe 90-99% of the time would not matter, but the stars aligned, Boy whatever (18) galloped and it found free path on the inside. But an oversight nonetheless.

I can show you where my mind took me, I thought erroneously 5 and 17 held class. Realized in the end that 5 did not have class. Brought down, but did not realize until after the race that 17 was as weak in top class races vs top class horses in Vincennes too. Still would not have won, and still dissapointed on the ride of the 6 Epic Kronos. And the costs of adding others to first waa not in my budget haha. But you were right about everything! You did things correctly!! It should have been a winning ticket. If not for that small oversight. I am just mentioning it since so many are commenting it and you too, and that the mistake lies somewhere else. I think the mistake was in point 3. Because I think you did consider both point 1. and 2. and that's why you had Hokkaido shuffled up to 3rd place. It was in your judgement and considerations, just some info was missing (or conclusion if you processed point 3).

I bow and extend my hat for you. I am still shocked you were right about Josh Power (11). Truly an expert. Hope better luck is with you next year.

 Galopptips.eu Just a few comments on your post:

Hokkaido Jiel WAS qualified for last year's "Amérique" but unfortunately he couldn't take part due to an injury.
And if you really doubt Francesco Zet's class for a Prix d'Amérique, I'd suggest watching the race again. He was extremely unlucky and beaten well below his true level. As far as I know he's expected to run in the Prix de France on sunday and with just a bit more luck a top-3 finish should be very possible, especially over this distance.

Francesco ist leider hinter einem stark nachlassendem Konkurenten gelegen, mit anderem Rennverlauf wäre 1-3 nmM nicht zu verhindern gewesen.... War ausserdem auch das schnellste Pferd im Einlauf!🤠

Dip writes:

 Galopptips.eu Just a few comments on your post:

Hokkaido Jiel WAS qualified for last year's "Amérique" but unfortunately he couldn't take part due to an injury.
And if you really doubt Francesco Zet's class for a Prix d'Amérique, I'd suggest watching the race again. He was extremely unlucky and beaten well below his true level. As far as I know he's expected to run in the Prix de France on sunday and with just a bit more luck a top-3 finish should be very possible, especially over this distance.

 

 

We will see then. But from what I recall, he runs like mouse instead of a dragon each time he meets the good horses in Vincennes. Back to a dragon in Scandinavia. I was like, I totally won the quinte+ in the first turn of the Amerique when I saw it in front, being like yep, good bet with 6 solo for first and 17 and fav for 2nd, the other races for Zet were just prep races and bad luck, but little time passed after the first turn in the Amerique and he didn't defend the rail. Horse fell to like 8th position a short while later and then even worse, all the while boxed in, exactly what you DO NOT want ever if you used horse stamina early to get a good position. That's going small and scared as soon as it gets serious. That's why I said I realized after the race, too late, that the horse actually lacks class. I support you supporting him in the next good race, I don't know much about trotting important races. Maybe I am wrong. I guess this race you mentioned is another chance for the horse to prove itself.

Oh and about Hokkaido. I think it reflects even more positive. Skipped cause injury, also explains soft push pre Amerique this year. Why commit and "risk" a potential injury on smaller races, better get in form slowly, away from the heat, no need to show greatness, and go all in in the important race.

 Galopptips.eu The race I meant is the Prix de France this sunday. It's a kind of rematch of the "Amérique", but over 2100m instead of 2700m, which will certainly be an advantage for Francesco. I'm not saying he'll win for sure, but with a good draw and a decent trip everything is possible.

It's true that he hasn't delivered twice at Vincennes, but that doesn't take away from his class. That's what I think, anyway.

Finally, I'd like to leave you with an interesting statistic for sunday's race: In the last 11 years the winner of the Prix de France had previously finished 1st, 2nd, 3rd or 4th in the Prix d'Amérique!

So maybe you also believe - as I do - in Frank Gio becoming the winner?! 😉

 High Roller  komische agressive Wort und Schreibweise.Leider stimmt auch deine Ferndiagnose nicht denn es soll Menschen geben die  mitten in der Nacht aufstehen müssen um ihren Job zu tun.Bin dir zwar keine Rechenschaft über meinen Arbeitsalltag schuldig aber unser Team fängt zwischen 5 und 6 Uhr an zu arbeiten um Kundenwünsche für Click&Kollekt zu erfüllen.

Bleibe, trotz aller Beleidigungen von dir und deinen paar Claqueuren(vorsicht dieses Wort ist schwer zu schreiben) der Meinung das es Nachkarren ist.Denk mal an die Schweden TG wo du auch wieder mal komplett ausgerastest bist nur weil jemand mal Vorher seine Meinung gesagt hatte.Mit anderen Meinungen akzeptieren hast es nicht so,oder?

Bei Click&Kollekt denke ich sofort an IKEA.

Gebe zu, dass ich die Erwähnung der Uhrzeit auch nicht verstanden haben.

Littel schreibt:

 High Roller  komische agressive Wort und Schreibweise.Leider stimmt auch deine Ferndiagnose nicht denn es soll Menschen geben die  mitten in der Nacht aufstehen müssen um ihren Job zu tun.Bin dir zwar keine Rechenschaft über meinen Arbeitsalltag schuldig aber unser Team fängt zwischen 5 und 6 Uhr an zu arbeiten um Kundenwünsche für Click&Kollekt zu erfüllen.

Bleibe, trotz aller Beleidigungen von dir und deinen paar Claqueuren(vorsicht dieses Wort ist schwer zu schreiben) der Meinung das es Nachkarren ist.Denk mal an die Schweden TG wo du auch wieder mal komplett ausgerastest bist nur weil jemand mal Vorher seine Meinung gesagt hatte.Mit anderen Meinungen akzeptieren hast es nicht so,oder?

 

 

 

 

Andere mit Clown ( Leporello ) oder Heuelsusen anzusprechen hat nichts mit Meinung zu tun sondern mit Krawall machen . Einen Keil zwischen Usern treiben zu wollen ( Luba und mir , was dir ohnehin nicht gelingt ) noch viel weniger denn das ist einfach nur assiozial . War auch nicht das erste Mal sondern vielmehr das gefühlt fünfzigstemal . So wie es in den Wald hinein so ..... 

Wen willst du eigentlich hier verarschen , beleidigst seit Jahren andere User hier und machst jetzt auf Opfer . Normaler Austausch kannst in Zukunft knicken bei mir , bist mir ohnehin egal aber bei  Beleidigungen gibt es Antworten die du verstehst . Wenn andere User dir versuchen wie bei Lugas etwas zu erklären , schnallst das ja auch erst wenn man es dir langsam erklärt .

Für mich bist ein Gama - Alki mit Wutschreiben . Wenn das nicht so wäre ( was ich dir nicht glaube ) , ist noch schärfer das du vor der Arbeit so einen Post mit Beleidigungen ablässt. 

Nach so vielen Versuchen bin ich durch mit dir ( hoffnungsloser Fall wie Lanti schrieb ) . Wenn du beleidigst  , was du ja mit Claqueuren gleich wieder gemacht hast,  bekommt eine Antwort auf deinem Niveau , sonst verstehst du es nicht .